president obama, then senator obama had nothing to do with the decision to close our factory. that was an outright lie. >> did paul ryan fail to help you at all, ron? what about that? >> yeah, let me correct you, first, ed. i really didn't work at the plant, but i am the director of the region in which the plant is located. so i just want to correct that a little bit, but what i will tell you is where we really believe that paul ryan lied and where he failed at is his inconsistencies. early on, if you look, he voted for stimulus package in early 2000s. and at that time, that was under george bush, which again, was a party line vote. if you look later on in 2008 like you said earlier, it's really about the timeline and how things happen. when this plant closed in 2008, george bush was still in office, and their party line politics were in effect at that time. when barack obama was elected, and in 2009, the plant had already closed. but what's really important here is once the plant had closed, where we needed mr. ryan to step up was simply when people needed ta grants to retool